Asylum: the real question
Before I attack this one "taboo'd" subject, I would just like to point out that I am by no means a racist. I am merely expressing my right as a British citizen to use freedom of speech and explain my opinions on asylum and immigration in the same ways that Enoch Powell once did in the 1970's.
Personally, I cannot see how both the Liberals and this present government can be so relaxed upon the border controls of our country. It is absolutely shameful. Michael Howard has even given the shocking statistic that only 2 out of 10 immigrants within the United Kingdom are actually employed within legal work. Fair enough on those 2 in every 10, I have no problem with people moving to Britain to help our economy grow in a successful way. But what about the remaining 80% of immigrants? Those who choose to be held responsible by the government welfare state, and contribute nothing in the face of Economic growth within our nation. How can the government let them get away with this? Recent data has shown that every asylum seeker within Great Britain costs the average tax payer over £14,000 a year, which in my opinion, does add up considering 1 in 20 people within London is in the UK illegally*. Furthermore, how can we let this government take away our national pride & identity just to make ethnic minorities feel they're being treated equally among us? I had always grown up believing that Britain was a White/Christian majority nation, but now, my thoughts are beginning to challenge this notion. Leicester has become the first city ever within Europe to hold a black majority, and political correctness has also sold out to the British people. Incidents such as banning bibles from hospital bedsides and the Red Cross not supporting Christmas charities has taken racial equality to the extremes; as some people describe: "Political correctness gone mad". What is wrong with our national identity? What is wrong with saying "Im proud to be pure British"? I was taught that the British flag stood for unity between England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales, not Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Moldova, and any other middle eastern/eastern european country. The time, in my opinion, has come to stand up for our British identity; to say that this is our free nation, and to take an Austrailian style system only allowing legal/economic migrants into the country. The time for this political correctness of the Labour government must stop, and the time to reclaim our national identity, which millions of British men paid the ultimate sacrifice for, must start. Enoch powell once warned of this very event occuring, and in the face of war, bloodshed & racial hatred, this vision could soon become a reality.
How do we determine between "bogus" asylum seekers and those actually fleeing persecution?
Personally, I cannot see how both the Liberals and this present government can be so relaxed upon the border controls of our country. It is absolutely shameful. Michael Howard has even given the shocking statistic that only 2 out of 10 immigrants within the United Kingdom are actually employed within legal work. Fair enough on those 2 in every 10, I have no problem with people moving to Britain to help our economy grow in a successful way. But what about the remaining 80% of immigrants? Those who choose to be held responsible by the government welfare state, and contribute nothing in the face of Economic growth within our nation. How can the government let them get away with this? Recent data has shown that every asylum seeker within Great Britain costs the average tax payer over £14,000 a year, which in my opinion, does add up considering 1 in 20 people within London is in the UK illegally*. Furthermore, how can we let this government take away our national pride & identity just to make ethnic minorities feel they're being treated equally among us? I had always grown up believing that Britain was a White/Christian majority nation, but now, my thoughts are beginning to challenge this notion. Leicester has become the first city ever within Europe to hold a black majority, and political correctness has also sold out to the British people. Incidents such as banning bibles from hospital bedsides and the Red Cross not supporting Christmas charities has taken racial equality to the extremes; as some people describe: "Political correctness gone mad". What is wrong with our national identity? What is wrong with saying "Im proud to be pure British"? I was taught that the British flag stood for unity between England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales, not Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Moldova, and any other middle eastern/eastern european country. The time, in my opinion, has come to stand up for our British identity; to say that this is our free nation, and to take an Austrailian style system only allowing legal/economic migrants into the country. The time for this political correctness of the Labour government must stop, and the time to reclaim our national identity, which millions of British men paid the ultimate sacrifice for, must start. Enoch powell once warned of this very event occuring, and in the face of war, bloodshed & racial hatred, this vision could soon become a reality.
How do we determine between "bogus" asylum seekers and those actually fleeing persecution?
posted by James.R.Skinner at 8:49 pm
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Thankyou for your very...interesting e-mail. As always, I would love to reply, but unfortunately, you did not leave me with much qualitative data to respond to, but I would like to comment on a few things you said. You claim that we're "a right wing fascist party". Yes, we are supportive of the right wing, but if your looking for fascism, please refere to Nazism from 1939-1945 in Germany. Secondly, "im not old enough to vote". Well Martin, neither were the suffragettes back in 1906, but they still made their points heard. And with regards to your comment that we're "the most ridiculous party this country has ever seen", would you care to back that up with evidence? (By the way, I have attended many Conservative gatherings within Wales and have always found them much more realistic than the Labour ones).
I appreciate your views on the subject, but I feel that you are confusing national identity with religious identity. Christmas and the Bible are not British or English symbols - they are linked to the Christian Church. Also when you state that "Leicester has become the first city ever within Europe to hold a black majority", it sounds like you almost have a problem with that. I think the Conservatives really have to wake up to modern life. Yes it's multicultural - and that has brought more benefits to the culture of this country than many things before it. You have to remember, that Britain has always been a mixture of people, from Celts to Normans.
Thankyou for your e-mail David, but Im afraid I do dis-agree with you on most of your views.
Firstly, in regards to Leicester becoming the first European black city, I do have a problem with this. I will emphasis again that I am not a racist, but I do feel that this is simply a mockery of our British cultural society, and just shows the absolute shambles upon our British immigration laws. You also claimed that multi-cuturalism has brought more benefits to Britain than dis-advantages. I fail to see the justification in this remark. Yes, Britain does need legal economic migrants every year, but regarding illegal immigrants & asylum seekers (which is what this article was emphasising on in the first place), having increased expenditure by the government on asylum, increased TB levels from non-medically checked immigrants, increased in crime by over 24%, and an increase in the black economy, surely can not be beneficial to our country. And finally, it is true that Britain is founded by both Celts and Normans, but I do not remember these people carrying out the actions of extremist Muslims in Hyde park and burning our British flag (continuously).
By 'black city', i am assuming you mean 'non white'. Since when do British values have anything to do with colour of the skin?? In addition, I really don't think this makes a mockery of our immigration laws - the first of these people probably came over here in the 70s and 80s, when the Conservatives were in power. The extremist Muslims who have occasionally burned the English flag in Hyde Park did anger me immensely - if they hate it so much, then they should piss off. However, i think it would be a disgusting generalisation to say that all Muslims, or even a majority of Muslims behave like this and hold views of this nature. To counter this, if one goes to any city centre on a Friday or Saturday night, i expect you will see hundreds of mainly white 'lads' (who you seem to forget cause most crime in this country) having fights, urinating on the streets, and being anti-social to residents. Or sorry, did you miss this as they're not 'black'....
Put your money where you're mouth is "Martin Fox".
From what you wrote it seems Martin knows Fox all about politics.
I personally am very anti-illegal immigration and abuse of the asylum system. In a perfect world immigration would be fair and benefical and asylum avaiblabe for all that deserved it. However I feel that people see Britain as a soft touch, with abuses of legal aid, re-introduction of TB and soaring crime rates a testament to this. I feel that Britain should resist any EU common policy on immigration and asylum, and further more make a substantial effort to monitor and control our borders.
I also agree with this - i do think we need stronger immigration controls. However, for different reasons. I feel that Britain is just too small to cope with any more people. Our public services are already over-stretched, huge traffic on most motorways, lack of housing etc. My views are not based on race.
Mr Skinner, the UK, as one of the richest countries in the world has a responsibility to help people who are being persecuted in their homelands. This should not be debated as whether it is good or not for the country, these people deserve help and we should be able to offer it to them.
The problem comes with illegal immigrants and these are the people who I think are responsible for causing people to have extremist views like your own, and those of members of the BNP and National Front. The hard working people UK are fed up of being taken for a ride with people who do not actually need our help taking advantage of us. It is these illegal immigrants who give genuine asylum seekers a bad name and add to the tension, something clearly has to be done before people take it into their own hands (the growth of the BNP demonstrates that people are getting fed up with the current situation).
The whole system has to be made more transparent as if people can get an accurate picture of how our asylum system is helping people I am sure people will be less critical of it. The problem of people trafficking is also a huge one and needs attention too. It seems totally wrong that these people pay thousands of pounds (which they are unlikely to have) to criminals to trek thousands of miles to a country that may not be able to offer them help. Why should these people put up with the conditions they travel in just to be turned away? Why can’t it be made easier for these people to claim asylum in the nearest safe country? All countries have to play a part in this international problem, we ALL have a responsibility and if people can see that all countries are taking a responsibility people will be less critical of the asylum system. The problem of illegal immigrants is made worse by the fact that people are able to apply for asylum once they are in the country, allowing them to disappear into the system- these people should apply before entering the country so that their journey is not wasted and so that they are not able to continue living illegally in the UK. It is also the case that the people we do help have to be willing to live as citizens of the UK and accept our laws and traditions.
Instead of people just calling each other “raciest” we need to have a proper debate on this issue so that a more fair system can be put into place. The only way the issue will be resolved is if an international solution is agreed so that all countries play a part and it is not left to the few.
Oli, I completely agree with majority of what you said (in exception to you claiming that I am an extremist, e.t.c). However, you seem to have a good understanding of the British immigration system, but we have to except that Britain is being taken for a soft touch by these people. It was the same in Holland in 2003. Over 2/3 of the dutch population is muslim/ethinic immigrants, which has now resulted in Holland slamming its doors shut on immigration permanantly. And in regards to Europe helping us with this problem, I can not see this happening. France takes no responsibility in helping us with this crisis, which was clearly shown with the closure of Sangatte. Europe is never going to be united with us on this issue...it seems their policy to aslum seekers is "we dont want you so go to Britain", and with this government offering so many benefits to these immigrants, how can this issue ever be resolved?
Indeed I am, and i've also got common sense.
"Recent data has shown that every asylum seeker within Great Britain costs the average tax payer over £14,000 a year, which in my opinion, does add up considering 1 in 20 people within London is in the UK illegally (Daily Mail figure)"
Even if that fair and unbiased source the Daily Mail provides accurate figures, I would like to pick out some points.
1. Since when has being someone seeking asylum and being in the UK illegally been the same thing? There is literally no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker. There is nothing illegal about claiming asylum, and, as a Christian, would you not agree that it is a moral duty to take in refugees fleeing torture?
2. "I had always grown up believing that Britain was a White/Christian majority nation, but now, my thoughts are beginning to challenge this notion"
Well, according to the 2001 census, Ethnic Breakdown is as follows:
White: 90.9%
Indian: 2.1%
Pakistani: 1.4%
Mixed: 1.4%
Black Caribbean: 1.1%
Black African: 0.9%
Chinese: 0.4%
Black Other: 0.2%
And Religion:
Christian: 71.7%
No Religion: 14.6%
Not Stated: 7.7%
Muslim: 3.1%
Hindu: 1.1%
Sikh: 0.7%
Jewish: 0.5%
Buddhist: 0.3%
Other: 0.3%
3. "Leicester has become the first city ever within Europe to hold a black majority"
So what?
4. "Incidents such as "banning bibles from hospital bedsides" and " the Red Cross not supporting Christmas charities" has taken racial equality to the extremes"
Why racial equality? What religions demand that their followers have a certain skin colour? And what is extreme racial equality? Why would people of a certain ethnic background have a problem with a certain religious text?
Firstly, you are correct in saying that there is no such thing (grammatically) as an "illegal asylum seeker", but there is such a thing as a "fake asylum seeker", where people claim asylum on the grounds of persecution in their home country, but really are in no danger whatsoever, and as government statistics show, this is the case with 3 in every 4 asylum seekers. Also, you claim that it is my moral duty as a Christian to accept refugees fleeing persecution. My answer to that is simply "no". Under European asylum laws, people fleeing from persecution in their home lands are to attain asylum in the nearest safe country from the nation they are fleeing, and you can not tell me that Britain is the nearest place of refuge for these people.
Secondly, your figures from census (with ethnic breakdown statistics) do date from 2001, and hence are now out of date. May i also include that those figures relate to people known by the immigration authorities. They do not include those unknown, such as illegal immigrants.
Your third point just goes to show how "slack" our asylum and immigration laws have become under New Labour, and your final point (relating to "hospital bibles", e.t.c) shows how politically correct this nation has become. This government has become so obsessed with political correctness that it feels justified in banning bibles from hospital bed side tables, as they may "offend ethnic minorities"! How unbelievebly ridiculous can a few politicians in government be?!
"Your figures from census (with ethnic breakdown statistics) do date from 2001, and hence are now out of date. May i also include that those figures relate to people known by the immigration authorities. They do not include those unknown, such as illegal immigrants."
The 2001 census was the most recent national census, and I find it hard to believe that national figures will have fluctuated in the four years since then.
"Your third point just goes to show how "slack" our asylum and immigration laws have become under New Labour"
As a commenter on my blog noted, Leicester is not actually a city with a 'black' majority, infact only 3.07% of the population are of Afro-Carribean descent. The city is does have a large multi-ethnic population, but why is that a bad thing? And can we assume that of the 100,000 (ish) people of non-white descent, all have arrived since 1997? I think not.
"and your final point (relating to "hospital bibles", e.t.c) shows how politically correct this nation has become. This government has become so obsessed with political correctness that it feels justified in banning bibles from hospital bed side tables, as they may "offend ethnic minorities"! How unbelievebly ridiculous can a few politicians in government be?!""
Please give me your source for the governmental edict to ban bibles in hospitals. And you still haven't answered my point as to why this is regarding ethnic minorities? It would be fair to say that the fastest growing sector of christianity in Britain today is in the form of 'African-style' charismatic Christianity.
Thank you "Tory Convert", but you have completely mis-interpreted my post. I never said anywhere in my article that "Ethnic Minorities should not be treated equally to us"...i said that its disgraceful that political correctness has gone so far these days that it has resulted in policies aiming for radical ethnics to think they are equal with us (when in reality, they are having more rights over us as a result). Please dont put words in my mouth.
And i agree with what you say mostly...but the point i am making is that i have no problem with economic migrants, but i do believe that asylum and immigration should be limited to protect our culture and identity...just as Enoch Powell claimed.
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